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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:51 pm 
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There is no evidence to suggest that the banning of legally held handguns, illegally held handguns have always been banned, has made a jot of difference in lives saved, only perhaps in manner to which the lives were taken.

Dunblane was caused by Hamilton and allowed to happen by the licensing authority, no-one from local gun clubs to the officers renewing his certificates though he should have firearms, ignoring this advice higher ups approved his application for reasons we are still to be told.

That is where the blame for that tragedy squarely lies, but with Hamilton being dead and the senior police officer being protected legal handgun owners were punished in lieu by the hue and cry of the snowdrop mob and the lack on any moral and political rectitude in government and its institutions.

Anything explanation other than this for the cause of the tragedy and who is to blame is just plain fabrication and lies.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:17 pm 
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School shootings are not a British thing. Never were. Very unlikely to be in the future'


They weren’t an American thing until relatively recently. Who can say if they would be a British thing if there were the same firearms rules in place now as pre-Dunblane. It’s naive to think that British kids don’t feel the same as American kids - it is primarily the ease of access to the guns that is the difference. Of course even pre-Dunblane we didn’t have anywhere near the amount of guns floating around.


kids don't go into school and try to stabb an entire class. they may however just try to stabb one kid though

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I'm gonna get dogpiled for this but one of the causes of this effectively the modern way of living, with the exception of at least American school shooter, all were the products of a fatherless home (Adam Lanza being a prime example), hell 80% of the American prison systems inmates are the sons of single parents (mostly single mothers). The other side is incredibly terrible mental healthcare, the uk is better than the US in that regard but crazy policies have still happened here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkseaton_shootings basically what care in the community did. It takes alot to even get sent to one in the states such as these two girls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing

Spree killers have always existed but throw in terrible mental health, crappy education systems (young men are actually now outnumbered by women at uni, I'm amazed our crime rate isn't worse than it already is). I'm blaming anyone, some kids are abandoned, others never knew their parents and being let down by bad education and no help from professionals isn't their fault but it's still the rest of the societies fault.


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I'd recommend watching the series currently on Sky and NowTV (there for a few weeks at least) called 'Active Shooter' which offers a much more balanced view on the reasons behind some of the U.S. mass shootings in recent years.

Even the victims rarely talk about gun control being the issue.


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The one common denominator of all the school shooters is that they were all on prescribed psychotropic drugs, which were known to have side effects including violent and suicidal thoughts. You don't hear about that on network news though. Big pharma has a powerful influence.


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Well, surprisingly the Mail printed my comment - When the comments are moderated, the only comments published tend to support the general trust of the article.

Families of Dunblane massacre show support for Parkland students

Tragic as the Dunblane incident was, it is disingenuous to claim that banning legally held handguns has solved some perceived problem. It is a fact that handgun crime rose 40% in the two years after Dunblane and has continued to rise steadily since then. The sad truth is that Hamilton was only able to keep his firearms because of personal connections to high ranking officers in the issuing police force, despite evidence that he was plainly unstable.

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Funny how the majority of non airgun firearms offences are with those pesky illegal handguns. Now if we banned them... Oh wait...


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Kungfugerbil wrote:
Dark Skies wrote:
School shootings are not a British thing. Never were. Very unlikely to be in the future'


They weren’t an American thing until relatively recently. Who can say if they would be a British thing if there were the same firearms rules in place now as pre-Dunblane. It’s naive to think that British kids don’t feel the same as American kids - it is primarily the ease of access to the guns that is the difference. Of course even pre-Dunblane we didn’t have anywhere near the amount of guns floating around.


You're right. Before shooting became the method, they used explosives in the US instead.

There were zero school shootings prior to Dunblane & who is to say there would have been more afterwards if the law hadn't changed?

I'd recommend not attempting to compare the US with the UK, as they're culturally far apart.


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I have said it many times in a discussion forum, the man to blame for giving Hamilton access to firearms is ex-ACC McMurdo. After everyone said “no” to Hamilton’s FAC, he approved it. McMurdo was severely criticised by the Cullen enquiry. McMurdo then made a “statement on the steps” that all handguns should be banned, then retired to Australia....

The massacre at Dunblane has very little baring on the discussions of the current phenomena of US school shootings.

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Dark Skies wrote:
And also ...

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7654

Up 23% over previous figures for 2016/17


and yet they continue to legislate against rifles.

Politicians really do not have a clue.


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