Panorama 20th August

[Robbo]

Whatever legislation's they put into place just manages to push firearms deeper underground and less likely to keep track of them. Criminals 1 legal firearms owners 0. They banned handguns and now there are even more used in crimes....just not traceable any more!

I'd be interested to know of all the illegally weapons that are used where they re sourced from. I bet loads have come in over the borders over the last few years, and almost certainly stuff that isn't legal here any more.....

[Racalman]

I thought it reasonably balanced (the BSSC man made the valid point about creating more laws for the criminals to break), but they didn't make it clear that you need an FAC to buy the primers.

Anyway, why would a serious criminal pay £2.5k for an antique when he can get a modern semi-auto pistol for much less courtesy of the EU's famously porous borders?

[David24]

So I watched the program tonight. They skirted very quickly across the supply of the components for making the ammunition, suggesting that not all websites ask for FAC details when buying stuff.

I'm fairly new to this and don't reload yet but I thought that you needed an FAC to buy primers and therefore you couldn't buy them online?

Yes you do, its part of the THE VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION ACT 2006.

"As of the 6th April 2007 it is an offence for anybody to sell to anybody a cap type primer “designed for use in metallic cartridges for use in a firearm” (i.e. small and large rifle and pistol primers) unless they produce the appropriate certificate."
However shotgun primers are exempt.

I watched it too and Either way the program only had two periods of about a minute with a collector suggesting our side of the argument and obviously the BBC ignores the fact that you by obtaining the ammo are breaking the law and by shooting someone are breaking the law.
Just a case, like the offensive weapons bill of trying to make changes to make it look like something is being done without trying to resolve the root causes in society.

[pluginal]

I thought it reasonably balanced (the BSSC man made the valid point about creating more laws for the criminals to break), but they didn't make it clear that you need an FAC to buy the primers.

Anyway, why would a serious criminal pay £2.5k for an antique when he can get a modern semi-auto pistol for much less courtesy of the EU's famously porous borders?

Exactly my point!

[the running man]

So I watched the program tonight. They skirted very quickly across the supply of the components for making the ammunition, suggesting that not all websites ask for FAC details when buying stuff.

I'm fairly new to this and don't reload yet but I thought that you needed an FAC to buy primers and therefore you couldn't buy them online?

agreed completely,it went right over the top of case length and was very wrong with "that will fit your gun" not to mention bullets casting and lube and swaging and getting primers and powder.......

[Warky]

Was a little confused why they tried to bring race into the issue, the presenter said a white guy bought a gun that killed a black guy..... Okay but the guy distributing guns and ammo (Nosa Stephenson) was black and his gang (who also sold a non antique Mac 10) were black and asian? Why bring race into an antique firearms debate?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birm ... 680813.amp

[Strangely Brown]

I thought it reasonably balanced (the BSSC man made the valid point about creating more laws for the criminals to break), but they didn't make it clear that you need an FAC to buy the primers.

Anyway, why would a serious criminal pay £2.5k for an antique when he can get a modern semi-auto pistol for much less courtesy of the EU's famously porous borders?

The BSSC man was Dereck Stimpson who is chairman of the HBSA, he said the filming of the interview took an hour and a half!

[Robbo]

Was a little confused why they tried to bring race into the issue, the presenter said a white guy bought a gun that killed a black guy..... Okay but the guy distributing guns and ammo (Nosa Stephenson) was black and his gang (who also sold a non antique Mac 10) were black and asian? Why bring race into an antique firearms debate?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birm ... 680813.amp

Brussels Broadcasting Company?

[Warky]

Whatever legislation's they put into place just manages to push firearms deeper underground and less likely to keep track of them. Criminals 1 legal firearms owners 0. They banned handguns and now there are even more used in crimes....just not traceable any more!

I'd be interested to know of all the illegally weapons that are used where they re sourced from. I bet loads have come in over the borders over the last few years, and almost certainly stuff that isn't legal here any more.....

This article shows some of the guns, 4/5 are likely antique the others are certainly modern either stolen or converted I'd suggest...

http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-11 ... ng-jailed/

Just goes to show criminals will use whatever they can get their hands on, yes any person could anonymously go and buy a "murder weapon" as they put it but they'd still have sort out the ammo with either a specialist contact or go to great lengths to get equipment / knowledge etc.

Or just go to tesco and anonymously buy a knife, or petrol, or a car, those things are murder weapons if used improperly.

[Robbo]

Whatever legislation's they put into place just manages to push firearms deeper underground and less likely to keep track of them. Criminals 1 legal firearms owners 0. They banned handguns and now there are even more used in crimes....just not traceable any more!

I'd be interested to know of all the illegally weapons that are used where they re sourced from. I bet loads have come in over the borders over the last few years, and almost certainly stuff that isn't legal here any more.....

This article shows some of the guns, 4/5 are likely antique the others are certainly modern either stolen or converted I'd suggest...

http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-11 ... ng-jailed/

Just goes to show criminals will use whatever they can get their hands on, yes any person could anonymously go and buy a "murder weapon" as they put it but they'd still have sort out the ammo with either a specialist contact or go to great lengths to get equipment / knowledge etc.

Or just go to tesco and anonymously buy a knife, or petrol, or a car, those things are murder weapons if used improperly.

I thought that a hired 7.5 ton truck was the tool of preference nowadays?