The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

HALODIN wrote:Do you disagree the EU will go bankrupt? The EU is fiscally structurally unsound because of the independence of the bond markets in each country. It's simply untenable. What about the EU army? it's already started... There are so many reasons to leave, I'm surprised anyone wants to stay, even in the short term.

shugie wrote:I believe that we must agree to differ on the matter.

I would agree with you HALODIN.

If Brexit is delayed by up to two years, I can't help but think that some of the preparations people have made to see through a time of shortage may not last well.

Fortunately I did not go out and stockpile any foods that I wouldn't ordinarily eat anyway.

Plumose wrote:Denmark also has the exception to joining the Euro, but if we leave the EU and decide later to join we then won't have a choice.

I have to disagree with this. The EU need our money. We are one of only 5 net contributors to the EU and we are about to take that money away. If we decide to rejoin the EU (as long as we have a strong negotiator fronting it) then I think we would be in a very strong position to get ourselves a very good deal.

My take on it all is that no one could possibly know what would happen either way, not even the supposed experts in politics can agree on what will happen. So lets suck it up, uphold the democratic decision to leave and see what we can make of it over the next 5 years. If after that it doesn't work out then we can go back and they will welcome us with open arms. The only thing that would make it fail is a large portion of people (mainly driven by the media) who can't let it go and sabotage the countries attempts to make a success of this (like the majorities of politicians are going with the incessant voting on the exit deal....)

This all is, of course, if the EU still exists. My gut feeling is that this is the beginning of the end of the EU as it is. And the end of the EU would open up the possibility of going back to a standalone common market trade deal. Allow free trading for all countries while maintaining their own hierarchy and laws.
I can't see an issue with that. Some countries may go bankrupt as a result but that wouldn't be the first or last time this has happened and isn't the end of the world.

Rule Britannia, God save the queen and all that stuff!!

"Some countries may go bankrupt as a result but that wouldn't be the first or last time this has happened and isn't the end of the world........"

Yeah right...............OK as long as it's not YOUR country................

Pete

And we keep seeing people saying the EU needs us more than we need them, if that is so why aren't they just giving us everything we ask for?

One of the purposes of the EU is to keep Europe as a whole stable to avoid the unpleasantness that was shown between countries up until the middle part of the last century which costs more in money (let alone lives) then we will ever pay in to the EU. This means that they have a strong incentive to not let countries go bankrupt (see Greece etc. already).

Pete wrote:"Some countries may go bankrupt as a result but that wouldn't be the first or last time this has happened and isn't the end of the world........"

Yeah right...............OK as long as it's not YOUR country................

Pete

We may disagree on Brexit, however, I do agree with your statement above.

Plumose wrote:And we keep seeing people saying the EU needs us more than we need them, if that is so why aren't they just giving us everything we ask for?

Because they know how to haggle / bargain.

Unlike us.

breacher wrote:

Plumose wrote:And we keep seeing people saying the EU needs us more than we need them, if that is so why aren't they just giving us everything we ask for?

Because they know how to haggle / bargain.

Unlike us.

YEP
our lot need a lesson from Dellboy ...

This time next year Rodney...we will have left!

Pete wrote:"Some countries may go bankrupt as a result but that wouldn't be the first or last time this has happened and isn't the end of the world........"

Yeah right...............OK as long as it's not YOUR country................

Pete

You make that out to be a terrible thought. But yes I think we should do what's best for our country and not prop up other countries at the detriment of our own. And even if we did go bankrupt (which is always a possibility) like I said it wouldnt be the end of the world. We would recover.