The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

Supporting all legal firearm owners, collectors, enthusiasts, shooters and competitors by promoting and encouraging legitimate gun ownership and use in the UK through unity, advocacy and discussion.
It is currently Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:14 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:36 pm
Posts: 675
Home club or Range: Staveley
At our home range we log serial numbers etc but when I shoot at Thorpe of another couple of “away” ranges there is nothing bar my signature.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:48 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:43 pm
Posts: 1250
Location: Bisley
Home club or Range: NRA Bisley
It is a requirement laid on all Home Office Approved clubs to record the attendance of all members, along with details (by the Guide, as entered on the FAC) of the firearms used. The HO Criteria / Conditions also set out how to deal with visitors, representative teams and so on. If your club isn't doing it they are in breach of the Conditions, which potentially puts the club's Home Office Approved status at risk.

Regarding the original question, it all comes back to the requirement to have a good reason to possess each firearm. I want it isn't sufficient to be good reason, and I need it isn't required. If you can justify it in a way that an ordinary reasonable person would accept, good reason should be established and the authority to acquire should follow. For example, I have two near-identical Target Rifles, mainly so that if something breaks in the middle of a major competition, I can pick up the other rifle and carry on. To justify that as good reason for the second rifle I need to show that I compete at high level on more than just an occasional basis. For a TR shooter that's not difficult, because I keep a plot sheet of every shoot, and I have about 30 years worth of the things in a box in the attic. The club record of attendance and usage would provide, if the police felt the need, an independent corroboration of that record. So far, dropping a pile of plot sheets in front of them and starting a shot-by-shot discussion of the last year or so's activity seems to get agreement fairly quicky - can't imagine why. ;)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:38 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:08 pm
Posts: 16
Home club or Range: Springview
Ah ok, yes that makes sense. Thanks for the info. I know the guy who runs my club writes stuff down against my name (for instance ammo I’ve purchased) so I’m guessing he does the same with the club guns I shoot.

@IainWR - thanks for the clarification. I guess our sport needs to be tightly regulated for obvious reasons. It is a shame that we’re not allowed to own firearms because we like them though, rather than it being just a practical reason. I suppose it’s one of the restrictions we have to accept in order to allow us to have access to guns at all.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:39 pm 
Offline
Site Supporter Since 2016
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:32 pm
Posts: 1697
Home club or Range: Harlow TAC
jimbo303 wrote:
Just as an aside - the usage of each firearm 3 times a year as a minimum is not a legal requirement in any way. It is contained in the Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing 2016 as below. Our outgoing FEO swore blindly it was a legal requirement at an AGM he attended and he is clearly incorrect !


Did I read somewhere the Guidance was to be given a more legal status (perhaps by it being written in to an amendment that the Guidance must be followed)?
This would have the affect of being able to effectively change the law without any of the usual oversight and procedures?

I can't remember the exact details but I seem to have this little niggling vague memory that this or something similar was talked about over a year ago.

_________________
Arming the Country, one gun at a time.

Good deals with Charlotte the flyer, majordisorder, Charlie Muggins, among others. Thanks everybody.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:31 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:43 pm
Posts: 1250
Location: Bisley
Home club or Range: NRA Bisley
Mattnall wrote:
jimbo303 wrote:
Just as an aside - the usage of each firearm 3 times a year as a minimum is not a legal requirement in any way. It is contained in the Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing 2016 as below. Our outgoing FEO swore blindly it was a legal requirement at an AGM he attended and he is clearly incorrect !


Did I read somewhere the Guidance was to be given a more legal status (perhaps by it being written in to an amendment that the Guidance must be followed)?
This would have the affect of being able to effectively change the law without any of the usual oversight and procedures?

I can't remember the exact details but I seem to have this little niggling vague memory that this or something similar was talked about over a year ago.


See Section 55A(4) Firearms Act 1968 as amended, at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/55A , introduced by the Policing and Crime Act 2017. It requires the police to have regard to the Guidance, which means if they act outside it, they are on dodgy ground.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:28 pm 
Offline
Site Supporter Since 2016
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:32 pm
Posts: 1697
Home club or Range: Harlow TAC
IainWR wrote:

See Section 55A(4) Firearms Act 1968 as amended, at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/55A , introduced by the Policing and Crime Act 2017. It requires the police to have regard to the Guidance, which means if they act outside it, they are on dodgy ground.


That might be what I was thinking of, Iain, thanks.

_________________
Arming the Country, one gun at a time.

Good deals with Charlotte the flyer, majordisorder, Charlie Muggins, among others. Thanks everybody.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group