Re: NRA continue IPSC bid
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:22 pm
The Cupcake Kid wrote:That includes me. I shoot shotgun and rifle disciplines, the same as you. I want to see investment and improvement in all areas. You seem to be saying the NRA should be investing money in rifle disciplines over shotgun. Why? Shouldn't every type of shooting have decent facilities?John MH wrote:Shooters who support the NRA, are NRA members and currently use the facilities at Bisley
Every shooting discipline should have decent facilities but look at the numbers. 49 selected TS as their primary discipline, so not much dedicated support form the current membership. How much revenue do TS events generate for the NRA?; so far this season (Oct to Feb) the NRA has received approx 500 CSR league match entries that’s about £13,500. I'd much prefer to see the profit earned from that spent on improved rifle shooting facilities and maybe an ETR, than on dedicated PSG facilities that can be shot almost anywhere in the UK.
Well, they (we) don't most of the time. Maybe that's for the best, because we might find the most active, politically motivated members get their way at the detriment of others? Maybe things should be changed so we do have more of a say? Who knows? It is what it is and we have to accept that those currently in charge are working and investing in the best interests of the members. Time will tell.John MH wrote: The membership are the NRA, they should have a say in where NRA funds are spent and what direction the NRA should move in.[/b]
Why should the minority have their way, if TS needs support get TS shooters to join the NRA. As quoted above money talks so how much influence do you think the generally poorly supported, when compared to other events, TS events are going to get. There is too much pandering to minorities in this country. The best interests of the members would be to invest in improved rifle shooting facilities as they are the majority, the only way to change that is for more shotgunners to join the NRA; but they are currently sat on the fence aren't they.
This is the same membership department who hasn't updated changes submitted by their members for several weeks. I've tried to change my primary to TS twice since Christmas, but the change hasn't been updated, so it's bad data. As I've said before, I'm sure a lot of members just list the disciplines they shoot in random order because they don't know or don't care what their "primary discipline" is. So you can't say from that number how many TS shooters are members, but it's certainly more than 49. Having said that, you are correct that TS is in the minority, but that it not a reason not to invest in it. It is a growing discipline and that means it should be supported.John MH wrote: It’s actually 49 individual members who have selected TS as their primary discipline, the figure was supplied by the NRA Membership Department. Why don’t TS shooters join the NRA in advance of any developments or take overs, they are all sitting on the fence waiting to see. There are far more NRA members who shoot other disciplines and enter NRA events than specifically TS. I’m sure they would prefer to see the investment they have made in supporting the NRA being put into maintaining and upgrading rifle shooting facilities rather than a very niche PSG facility. Of course if there were actually more TS shooters in the NRA they would rightly expect that their needs were addressed in proportion to their contribution.
It isn't going to be much more than 49 is it? It's is a growing discipline and should be supported, and when it’s grown sufficiently, and the NRA are seeing the benefits from match profits, then they should consider in investing in improved facilities and not before.
You are distinguishing between IPSC facilities and rifle facilities, I'm not. They are all 'shooting' facilities and the NRA should be supporting, encouraging and investing in all of them. Their motto is "Promoting Target Shooting Throughout the United Kingdom" after all.John MH wrote: IPSC has nothing to do with CSR, CSR shooters use the same facilities as Target Rifle/Match Rifle/F Class/Historic etc, the clue is in the word 'Rifle'.
Yes I am, IPSC is all tosh and unnecessary for "Promoting Target Shooting Throughout the United Kingdom"
Now I know a lot of you don't believe they have that agenda and they certainly didn't in the past, but they are changing so we need to see what this proposal will bring and that's going to mean waiting until we see details of the proposal.
Well that’s true, but where did the '6 Dedicated Practical Bays' come from, where are they going to be built? Butt Zero?
As for comments such as "I'm not travelling 10 hours to Bisley to shoot a L2 match" - again, you don't know what the IPSC proposal contains and how the NRA intend to run it, so why not carry on as you have been with the UKPSA and see what the bid brings? It might all stay the same if the IPSC don't accept the bid.
I didn’t say that, I wouldn’t travel anywhere to shoot a L2 Match, whatever that is, as I don’t have a ‘Competition Licence’ whatever that is.