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The Blackhawk Convertible was a catalogue item for a couple of decades. I may be right in thinking that after dropping the "model", it's available again. The .45 ACP headspaces on the case mouth, so no issues with a correctly manufactured cylinder to take this into account. The cases are ejected like the .45 Colt cases in the appropriate cylinder, with the ejector rod.

The Smith & Wesson 625 in .45 ACP, didn't necessarily need moon clips to function, but every now and again, you would get a light strike as the cartridge moved forward under the force of the hammer blow. Full moon clips made it ultra reliable, they in themselves acted as an en-bloc speed loader and empties were really easy to find....

If you want to see how the problem of a rimless case in a revolver was handled without any form of clip, google the ill fated Smith and Wesson 547 revolver in 9mm, designed for the French police....

The S&W .45 revolvers chambered for the ACP round have a step in the chamber to prevent the rounds from simply sliding through and falling out the front. You don't have to use clips with the rounds to make it function. I use auto rim cases because the clips are a nuisance for me, pulling the fired cases from the clip requires a tool of some sort. I used to use a fired .30-06 case to pop the fired cases out of the half moon clips.

Over the years I've had three other S&W 1917s and a Colt 1917 in .45 auto chambering. Great revolvers but the issue grips are extremely skinny and makes the revolver hard to hold on to in rapid fire. I can't imagine what it was like with cold, wet hands in the trenches!

I'm showing stupidity now. What are auto-rim cases, rufrdr? Or, have I mis-read the term?

Tower75 wrote:I'm showing stupidity now. What are auto-rim cases, rufrdr? Or, have I mis-read the term?

It's a rimmed .45 auto case designed so that you don't have to use a half moon clip. I have some somewhere that I could photograph but I'm sure that Wiki covers it.

Ah, I see. Cheers.

Made my day happening on this thread! I also could cry my heart out.

I picked up my second deactivated Webley & Scott Mark IV in .38 on Friday. Early deact and in very nice condition.

No picture because I just can't get the hang of that. See the photos way back in the thread and there's one or two there.

The other is a late deact and whilst in good order, not finished anywhere near as good as the old deact. It's newer too.