Keep those Zombies at arms length

[Ovenpaa]

The result - a growing number of kids who can run riot without fear of punishment or any form of discipline at home. An educational system who are expected to deal with their ever increasing disruptions, violence and abusive behaviour yet are powerless to stop them. Those kids who are just trying to get by in life become targets for such scum and their life is made a misery.

Chuck - the kids of today may not make crossbows or set off pyrotechnics, but i would never have made old folks fearful, hurled verbal abuse at adults or deliberately destroyed other people's prooperty. Both my father and my mother would have 'leather'd my a r s e! ' I was no angel and when adults brought my bad behaviour to the attention to either parent, their first reaction was to accept their parental responsibility, make sure i was punished and that i made amends. Sadly this is an alien reaction to many parents, today.

Wise words indeed, if I did something wrong and was caught then I had to accept the consequences of my actions. Endof. Never on any occasion did we terrorise old folks nor back chat if caught. Odd thing is I still addressed elderly neighbours as Mr or Mrs instead of my first name even in my 30's.

Scum sums the minority of youth up very nicely these days.

[Chuck]

Kids and their owners have too many RIGHTS these days and NO responsibility. Respect ha sbeen drummed out of them but when did beating a kid with a cane by a third party solve anything. FFS some of the teachers I had would be in jail today for half the things they did.

Kids are NOT taught responsibility or consequences and they are suppressed so that when they DO kick off it is more likely to be far inexcess of what we did. Add in a healthy dose of no parenting, incessant exposure to violence and sex, the latter forced on them at friggin nursery and primary FFS and it is no wonder kids are frcked up. No one wants to be ANYTHING these days, they want to be footie or pop stars and the systemm has deliberately bred a whole generation or two of kids who believe it is OK to fail at something /anything because that is acceptable.

Kids are dumbed down to the lowest denominator at school thanks to "fail proof" education. The real world is not like that and theyty cannot cope because they have been brought up to think that being a loser, faliure or underachiever is OK.

Bottom line, kids ARE fcked up and SCARED thanks to so much conflicting and negative input.! They are scared to thiunk or speask up for fear of getting into trouble and as for having an OPINION, jeezuz, they are only alolowed the ones given to them these days. but hey, maybe that's just how I see and hear it from them.

[Scotsgun]

Kids and their owners have too many RIGHTS these days and NO responsibility. Respect ha sbeen drummed out of them but when did beating a kid with a cane by a third party solve anything. FFS some of the teachers I had would be in jail today for half the things they did.

'Respect has been drummed out of them.' Just how exactly has that occurred and who exactly did the drumming? If perhaps you are stating that there is no respect for teachers or the educational system, then isn't it the responsibility of the parents to instil respect and discipline in their kids for all? You're problem Chuck is that you're repeating tired old media driven drivel and haven't got a f*** clue about what it's really like to teach in our society. ABH, GBH, Sexual assault, etc - they are now common bahavioural issues in our school. So how exactly do we deal with it:

A stern talking too or perhaps a punishment exercise? Yeah right. That type of kids will take note of that.
Temporary Exclusion? Ha, that's just giving them more time at home to watch Jeremy Kyle with mum and dad who don't work anyway are are leading by example.
Isolation from the poor buggers they are preying on? Oh no, the bleeding heart liberals and head shrinks have deemed that as restricting their right to socialise.
Permanent exclusion? Just watch how long it takes scum mum and dad to threaten to sue. It's their right to force their delinquent kids upon the rest of society.

Kids are NOT taught responsibility or consequences and they are suppressed so that when they DO kick off it is more likely to be far inexcess of what we did. Add in a healthy dose of no parenting, incessant exposure to violence and sex, the latter forced on them at friggin nursery and primary FFS and it is no wonder kids are frcked up. No one wants to be ANYTHING these days, they want to be footie or pop stars and the systemm has deliberately bred a whole generation or two of kids who believe it is OK to fail at something /anything because that is acceptable.

Oh it's the violent games, it's the TV......what a load of s h i t e! It's the parents, pure and simple. Kids learn their behaviours from home and outside, they watch those bloody games and TVs at home and its is those same parents who allow them to develop so. Why? Because they couldn't give a toss about the development of their Kids. Isn't it the school's job to raise their kids? You'd be surprised how many idiots believe so!

As for your comments about violence and sex being forced on nursery and primary kids????? I have no idea what you're on about. However, have you ever met an 11 or 12 year old that is sexually active? I have. More than i can count, sadly. I suppose you'll argue that they developed those habits at school too?
You are aware that we have one of the highest rates of underage pregnancies in the western world. If we don't do something to combat this, then aren't we just feeding fodder into the system of parts of society with low aspirations, a parasite on society, etc?

Kids are dumbed down to the lowest denominator at school thanks to "fail proof" education. The real world is not like that and theyty cannot cope because they have been brought up to think that being a loser, faliure or underachiever is OK.

Yet more s h i t e being shovelled. I Personally work in a school which serves the 3rd most deprived area in Scotland. Indicators used to determine how deprived it is include No on welfare, No on school dinners, Unemployment, No of families requiring social services, etc. However, the schools' results have bounced between the 3rd and 4th best in the authority consistently during the last 7 years, 3 of which i have worked there.

Speaking from my own subject area (which i manage) the percentage of passes A-C for both last year and that before are:

Standard Grade Craft & Design - 100%
Higher Craft & Design - 95%
Standard Grade Graphics - 100%
Higher Graphics - 100%
Advanced Higher Graphics - 100%
Int 1/2 Practical Craft Skills (wood)-100%
Int 1/2 Practical Craft Skills (metal ) - 90%

The kids have yet to sit their final exams for this year but i can confirm:

Standard Grade Craft & Design - 100% of coursework finished and passed
Higher Craft & Design - 100% of coursework finished and passed
Standard Grade Graphics - 100% of coursework finished and passed
Higher Graphics - 100% of coursework finished and passed
Advanced Higher Graphics - No kids sitting exam this year
Int 1/2 Practical Craft Skills (wood)-100% of kids passed A-C
Int 1/2 Practical Craft Skills (metal ) - 100% of kids passed A-C

The kids have achieved these grades because my colleagues and I have actively saught to 'dumb' them down, have we? Where I work, Chuck the majority of the kids come to school for normality. Many of the kids would gladly come to school on saturdays and sundays because at least there they have adults who treat them fairly, maintain a normal environment in which there is respect and safety. Christ, many of the kids now are already concerned that they must stay away from the school and staff for 6weeks! Most of the staff agree as we are aware how much damage their parents and the environment can do during that time and how far they can be set back.

Incidentally, I started my teaching career in one of the ten worst schools in England. A school in which OFSTED closed it, sacked the staff, hired an all new staff, renamed it and opened it 2weeks later. I'm not saying that we solved all the problems but within 3 years we were off Special Measures, The following inspection named us one of the most improving school and A-C passes had risen from single figures to over 50%
I was only just settled and beginning to relax when i was recruited to the infamous St George's School in Westminster. The same school of which the headmaster, Philip Lawrence was murdered. You may choose to believe the media bollox about the 'Super Headmistress, Lady Stubbs' (who just happened to be the wife ot the head of OFSTED) single handedly solved all the problems but i know how we as a staff worked tirelessly for 5yrs to turn the school into a 'good school.'

I suppose i chose the work at such school for the easy life, to dumb the kids down and generally mess with their head......oh wait, maybe it was the magnificent pay?

Bottom line, kids ARE fcked up and SCARED thanks to so much conflicting and negative input.! They are scared to thiunk or speask up for fear of getting into trouble and as for having an OPINION, jeezuz, they are only alolowed the ones given to them these days. but hey, maybe that's just how I see and hear it from them.

Oh yeah, kids in previous generations have had it oh so easy, what with wars, poverty, mass malnutrition, etc. I say it's the parents who've never had it so easy. If we were to expect more from the parents, challenge them to meet their parental and social responsibilities and actually work for their handouts then perhaps they would value society and in doing so communicate that to their kids.