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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:00 am 
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This was handed in today, the bore is around 9mm, it is rifled and has a double set triggers. Manufactured by MA Gmeiner & Sohn Altenburg it appears to be a sporting rifle.

Has anyone come across such a thing?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:30 pm 
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Typical early 20th century German sporting rifle. My sort of thing. The first thing is to establish the calibre and see if it is on the obsolete list.
More pictures would be helpful. It looks like some type of martini action, but there are a lot of mechanically different German Martinis.
If it is late 19th century, my guess would be 9,3 x 47R.
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Gmeiner and Son were manufacturing from 1850 to the late 1860s in East Germany. Produced percussion pistols and sporting rifles that were either percussion or Lefaucheux system. Don’t think they made a centre fire. But being in the region of 160 years old, there no telling who did what to it down the ages.

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It has a dog with "glowing" eyes engraved.

Made me smile.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:07 pm 
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SimG, Ah I would have thought it was more recent, early 1920's was my guess.

Fred, I had hoped you would spot this as it does look to be your sort of thing. Sadly the stock is in very poor order with extensive worm. It is a Martini type action and a 38splcase nigh on fits perfectly. I will take a chamber cast and see what is revealed. What I have found is it takes a .38Spl cartridge case perfectly and I could use a 38 cast bullet to slug it if needed. In the absence of any marking that chamber cast is the only way forward.

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I can add that it has a beautiful plum brown barrel under the stock and there is evidence of gold colour (Possibly gold leaf) all over the place.

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...and a bit more. It is 24.7"/627mm barrel with around a 1:23.5" twist on it and the bore measures at 0.376"/0.350" or 9.55mm/8.89mm groove/Land

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Looks like 380 long, which is not a common calibre in Germany.
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I have searched through Tom Rowe's Alte Scheibenwaffen volumes and can't find this action. If indeed in 380 long, then it is likely to be 1880 to 1890 as the nearly identical .360 no 5 round with its better performance was taking over by then. The groove diameter of the 360 no5 was 372 as opposed to the 375 of the 380 long. The brass of the 380 long was closer to 38 S&W---a bit fatter than 38 special. I have a rook rifle which is marked as being suitable for both calibres.

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