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Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:53 pm
by dekip
Hi guys

I have a very old rifle. It is in my family for decades. It is not in very good shape, but it is ok. I am not sure if I could fire a round from it. Many parts get rusted.
However, question is, what is this rifle. There are no marks on it, not a single number. Which is weird. For me, it is closest to Manlicher M1895 but there are many differences. The backside of the bolt is not the same, the chambering part of the barrel is not the same, wooden part is not the same.

Here are the pictures. I would appreciate any info.

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Regards.

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:18 am
by Sandgroper
Looks like a sporterised M95, but as you say there are differences and I've never seen one with that type of receiver before...interesting.

I would take a guess and say that it is not in the standard 8x50R or 8x56R hence the different receiver but like I said I'd be guessing. A chamber cast would help and have you stripped it down to check for numbers/marking etc...looks like it has the Austrian Eagle proof mark on the receiver and barrel.

Edit - It could be an earlier 1890 carbine...?

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:26 am
by Sandgroper
Yeah its looks a cross between an 1890 and a 1895...bolt is from an 1890 and the stock looks like a cavalry rifle see http://www.hungariae.com/Mann90.htm but the sights are from a M95 http://www.hungariae.com/Mann95.htm

Edit: Maybe a transition rifle, but the hex receiver is a mystery!

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:27 am
by Ovenpaa
An M93 Romanian Mannlicher maybe?

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:51 am
by Sandgroper
Ovenpaa wrote:An M93 Romanian Mannlicher maybe?
M93 is a classic turn bolt action.

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:49 pm
by waterford103
1891 Carcano ?

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:19 pm
by Sandgroper
waterford103 wrote:1891 Carcano ?
The OP's rifle is a straight pull...the M93 and Carcano are turn bolts.

Still think it's a transitional rifle between the M1890 and M1895...but the hex receiver is a mystery. I wonder if it's something like a local conversion, hence the lack of markings or maybe a late WWI stop gap rifle???

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:04 am
by dekip
If needs, I can take some pics more. Some part or so...

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:29 am
by ukrifleman
You can make a chamber cast using candle wax and if you have access to a copy of Lee's modern reloading, you can compare the cast with the line drawings of cartridges as they are all shown full size.
ukrifleman

Re: Old Manlicher rifle

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:39 am
by Sandgroper
ukrifleman wrote:You can make a chamber cast using candle wax and if you have access to a copy of Lee's modern reloading, you can compare the cast with the line drawings of cartridges as they are all shown full size.
ukrifleman
As said previously that would be a good idea, also,

I would like to see close ups of any markings on the metalwork, including any you find beneath the stock and a picture of the receiver out of the stock.

Where is your family from and how long has it been in your family...it might give some clue to the origins of the rifle?

Finally, the butt plate is not from a 1890 (M90) Mannlicher but probably from what I would guess is a M95 (1895).